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FX2LP synchronous FIFO setup times?

barawn posted on 17 Sep 2012 9:48 AM PST
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Hi all:

According to the FX2LP's datasheet, the SLRD and SLWR setup and hold times are virtually impossible to meet at 48 MHz: the setup time is listed as 18.7 ns with a minimum hold time of 0 ns for SLRD, and 18.1 ns with a minimum hold time of 0 ns for SLWR. With a 20.83 ns clock, this means that the data only has 2.13 and 2.73 ns to change, over all process/voltages/temperature. For virtually any FPGA design this is essentially impossible to meet.

What I don't understand is that Cypress has an FPGA FX2 slave FIFO design published at AN61345:

http://www.cypress.com/?rID=43046

and that design explicitly does *not* meet the timing requirements in the datasheet. Not even particularly close: the timign report loopback/Loopback_verilog/fpga_master.twr gives:

Clock clk to Pad
------------+------------+------------------+--------+
            | clk (edge) |                  | Clock  |
Destination |   to PAD   |Internal Clock(s) | Phase  |
------------+------------+------------------+--------+
faddr<1>    |    7.873(R)|clk_BUFGP         |   0.000|
fdata<0>    |    9.839(R)|clk_BUFGP         |   0.000|
fdata<1>    |   10.479(R)|clk_BUFGP         |   0.000|
fdata<2>    |    9.943(R)|clk_BUFGP         |   0.000|
fdata<3>    |   10.487(R)|clk_BUFGP         |   0.000|
fdata<4>    |   10.263(R)|clk_BUFGP         |   0.000|
fdata<5>    |   10.275(R)|clk_BUFGP         |   0.000|
fdata<6>    |   10.765(R)|clk_BUFGP         |   0.000|
fdata<7>    |    8.748(R)|clk_BUFGP         |   0.000|
gstate<0>   |    8.812(R)|clk_BUFGP         |   0.000|
gstate<1>   |    8.851(R)|clk_BUFGP         |   0.000|
gstate<2>   |    7.434(R)|clk_BUFGP         |   0.000|
sloe        |    8.575(R)|clk_BUFGP         |   0.000|
slrd        |    7.768(R)|clk_BUFGP         |   0.000|
slwr        |    8.581(R)|clk_BUFGP         |   0.000|
------------+------------+------------------+--------+

You can see here that SLRD and SLWR have a clock-to-out time of ~8 ns, which implies, with a 20.83 ns IFCLK (which the firmware included with AN61345 uses) a setup time of ~13 ns, which is about 5ns *shorter* than the time specified in the FX2LP datasheet.

Does anyone have any idea what the real setup time requirements are for SLRD/SLWR for the FX2LP, or is it just impossible to run IFCLK at 48 MHz over all operating conditions?




Re: FX2LP synchronous FIFO setup times?

PRJI posted on 21 Sep 2012 05:44 AM PST
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333 Forum Posts

Hi,

  The setup time requirement mentioned in the datasheet is based on the worst case characterization (Temperature –40 °C to +105 °C and Voltage +3.00 V to +3.60 V). Your system can run with lesser setup time but we can't ensure proper operation in all conditions.

Regards

Prajith



Re: FX2LP synchronous FIFO setup times?

barawn posted on 26 Sep 2012 11:48 PM PST
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It's not 'my' system. I'm giving the setup times from AN61345, which is a Cypress published Application Note.

Are you saying that Cypress can't guarantee that their own application note example will work?






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